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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Brainstorm Help 2 by thorwil</title>
		<link>http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/ubuntu-brainstorm-help-2/#comment-1262</link>
		<dc:creator>thorwil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, porl!

Yeah, Bob has been shot down. The gears win due to a lack of competition ;)

Glad you like all post sketches. So does Nicolas, but he prefers the second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, porl!</p>
<p>Yeah, Bob has been shot down. The gears win due to a lack of competition <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Glad you like all post sketches. So does Nicolas, but he prefers the second.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Brainstorm Help 2 by porl</title>
		<link>http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/ubuntu-brainstorm-help-2/#comment-1261</link>
		<dc:creator>porl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgot to mention: the 2 speech bubbles for discuss look great. i wasn't a fan of the three bubbles in the last post.

porl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>forgot to mention: the 2 speech bubbles for discuss look great. i wasn&#8217;t a fan of the three bubbles in the last post.</p>
<p>porl</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Brainstorm Help 2 by porl</title>
		<link>http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/ubuntu-brainstorm-help-2/#comment-1260</link>
		<dc:creator>porl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think your 'participate' icon of the three people in a circle is brilliant. i'm not sure of the 'see' one though, to me it is more someone having trouble seeing, which isn't the right impression :) i think the eye image suited this concept better. i also don't know about the 'vote' icon, but i can't think of any better way to do it... maybe an image of a piece of paper with 3 tickboxes and one ticked? might be confused for an options icon though. the post icons all look great :) i think 1 and 4 are the best

porl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think your &#8216;participate&#8217; icon of the three people in a circle is brilliant. i&#8217;m not sure of the &#8217;see&#8217; one though, to me it is more someone having trouble seeing, which isn&#8217;t the right impression <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> i think the eye image suited this concept better. i also don&#8217;t know about the &#8216;vote&#8217; icon, but i can&#8217;t think of any better way to do it&#8230; maybe an image of a piece of paper with 3 tickboxes and one ticked? might be confused for an options icon though. the post icons all look great <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> i think 1 and 4 are the best</p>
<p>porl</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popup Scrollbar Concept Demo by Peter William Lount</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter William Lount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. 

It's similar to the behavior of the NeXTstep or OpenStep scroll bars with all the options being available just in a very minor variant with the pop up page buttons. Check out MacOSX or GNUstep for a comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s similar to the behavior of the NeXTstep or OpenStep scroll bars with all the options being available just in a very minor variant with the pop up page buttons. Check out MacOSX or GNUstep for a comparison.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popup Scrollbar Concept Demo by Cory</title>
		<link>http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/popup-scrollbar-concept-demo/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - they all have scrollwheels because scrollbars have sucked for 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah - they all have scrollwheels because scrollbars have sucked for 25 years.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popup Scrollbar Concept Demo by Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 05:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm...does that really matter anymore? All mice will have a scroll wheel...even track pads have scrolling functionality. Would have been nice a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;does that really matter anymore? All mice will have a scroll wheel&#8230;even track pads have scrolling functionality. Would have been nice a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Brainstorm Help by Steve Nordquist</title>
		<link>http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/05/01/ubuntu-brainstorm-help/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Nordquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean, you could do it with all wine/cordial/warming glasses and liquors or teas, too.  The participation icon is a little odd; surely gripping one another in wrist blocks or n-person standing wrestling starting positions isn't what happens in that part of the program? 

I mean, you could even do an all-mollusk set of icons....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean, you could do it with all wine/cordial/warming glasses and liquors or teas, too.  The participation icon is a little odd; surely gripping one another in wrist blocks or n-person standing wrestling starting positions isn&#8217;t what happens in that part of the program? </p>
<p>I mean, you could even do an all-mollusk set of icons&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ubuntu Brainstorm Help 2 by Steve Nordquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nordquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 04:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rework with all dog gestures; paw up (or mount?) to post, wag at bitch alpha-left to vote, co-sniffing to discuss, various examinations to view, etc.etc.  Bob just looks so generic!

I mean, when some ragingly Arabic guy wants to hold a table or sale item, and doesn't want to give a name, Bob or Phillip or Dan is a pretty fun choice placeholder to give him.  But samey ectomorphs aren't what I need lots of.

Come and think of it, a big wrong grouping of malware syndicate people would make a pretty snarky art desktop.  Probably not what one wants as a default for Ubuntu, but if you have to imitate life, imitate life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rework with all dog gestures; paw up (or mount?) to post, wag at bitch alpha-left to vote, co-sniffing to discuss, various examinations to view, etc.etc.  Bob just looks so generic!</p>
<p>I mean, when some ragingly Arabic guy wants to hold a table or sale item, and doesn&#8217;t want to give a name, Bob or Phillip or Dan is a pretty fun choice placeholder to give him.  But samey ectomorphs aren&#8217;t what I need lots of.</p>
<p>Come and think of it, a big wrong grouping of malware syndicate people would make a pretty snarky art desktop.  Probably not what one wants as a default for Ubuntu, but if you have to imitate life, imitate life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Popup Scrollbar Concept Demo by Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never really liked using scroll bar, but it seems this might be about to change... Great work :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never really liked using scroll bar, but it seems this might be about to change&#8230; Great work <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Popup Scrollbar Concept Demo by Marcelo Lopez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcelo Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wally: And once again, explain why your old scroll is the best solution.

He didn't say the old scroll bar is the best solution, at least not specifically. So if the argument is one of specifics, then you need not look any further at the multiple ( and all quite valid points ) about what you DO lose over the "old"scroll solution. 

Different people WILL perceive what they want to happen, and how they want it to look as it happens, different ways. Some people will want ( or feel more comfortable with ) the "follow me" approach whereas some will want the "move it away" approach. Either way, this substitutes one for the other, and as others have pointed out, in a no-so-intuitive way. 

I do applaud the effort to implement this, or to approach the subject. Pity humanity is so accustomed to "it should just work", without answering the "which way was THAT again ?" question first.First answer the question of how action-response can be made intuitive ( what does the user do, and what does the user then see as a reaction ), and then worry about the specifics of what button goes where, etc.etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wally: And once again, explain why your old scroll is the best solution.</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t say the old scroll bar is the best solution, at least not specifically. So if the argument is one of specifics, then you need not look any further at the multiple ( and all quite valid points ) about what you DO lose over the &#8220;old&#8221;scroll solution. </p>
<p>Different people WILL perceive what they want to happen, and how they want it to look as it happens, different ways. Some people will want ( or feel more comfortable with ) the &#8220;follow me&#8221; approach whereas some will want the &#8220;move it away&#8221; approach. Either way, this substitutes one for the other, and as others have pointed out, in a no-so-intuitive way. </p>
<p>I do applaud the effort to implement this, or to approach the subject. Pity humanity is so accustomed to &#8220;it should just work&#8221;, without answering the &#8220;which way was THAT again ?&#8221; question first.First answer the question of how action-response can be made intuitive ( what does the user do, and what does the user then see as a reaction ), and then worry about the specifics of what button goes where, etc.etc.</p>
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